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William Sommerwerck
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 Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 6:14 pm Post subject: Re: A surprise performance of Messiaen's Transfiguration |
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A surprise performance might be one from a kazoo band. (Think of
L'Ascension, for example.)
By the way, I like most of Messian's music. |
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Poldie
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| Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 8:24 am Post subject: Re: A surprise performance of Messiaen's Transfiguration |
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Kirk McElhearn wrote:
| Quote: | On 2008-11-06 21:31:58 +0100, "Andrej Kluge" <kluge@wizzy.de> said:
http://rapidshare.com/files/161129229/Messiaen_Kubelik.zip.001
http://rapidshare.com/files/161130447/Messiaen_Kubelik.zip.002
I just downloaded these files, but when I try to unzip them, I get
nothing (an empty folder for one; an error for the other). I'm on a
Mac - are these zipped in some arcane way that makes Mac users unable
to use them?
I think you have to join these files first into one large ZIP file. (with
Windows, we use HJ-Split, as Alex wrote)
Oh. Thrills. Why not just post two zip files, each containing a bunch of
files? I don't know why people who share files like this have to
complicate things...
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It's not that hard to unzip them, and it lets you stick any number of
arbitrary sized files together, but split them into the maximum size
allowed by a given website, so downloaders have the minimum number of
files to download. |
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| Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 1:42 pm Post subject: Re: A surprise performance of Messiaen's Transfiguration |
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On Nov 7, 12:14 pm, "William Sommerwerck" <grizzledgee...@comcast.net>
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| Quote: | A surprise performance might be one from a kazoo band. (Think of
L'Ascension, for example.)
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A kazoo band might work. (grin). In many ways it's easier for a Kathak
dancer or Turkish dervish to get into Messiaen than for most
conservatoire trained orchestral players. What is so different about
Messiaen is that he overturns a lot of ideas about what music "should"
be. Hence the Indian rhythms which underpin his work quite
fundamentally, the wayward, wavy lines, the oddly spaced intervals,
the cacophony that's built up of intricate details. There is something
so off the wall about him, that those who don't get the idiom cannot
understand. This year there was a Prom of Transfiguration which
didn't get off the ground at all - it was as if the singers
(especially) thought they were singing Stanford or Parry - no swing,
no jazzy abandon. Yet two weeks ago Nagano conducted it at the South
Bank - what a transformation ! He gets the idea of extreme ecstasy
and suspended reality.aceste The plot, after all, is about some guys
walking out with Jesus and suddenly God appears in the sky and says
"This is my son !" Of course it's not a pedestrian event. Look at
medieval paintings of saints, how they glow with other worldly
exaltation. They are high but it's not chemical. Nagano also gets the
architecture right : it's a procession, not conventional symphonic
development. That's why I was so surprised with Simon Rattle's
Turangalila this year with the Berlin Phil. I didn't like his early
recording at all, but this time he had an orchestra that's agile and
lively enough to think in Messiaen mode and appreciate the oddball
freedom. That he cpuld get that through to them was quite an
achievement. |
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makropulos
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| Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 2:47 pm Post subject: Re: A surprise performance of Messiaen's Transfiguration |
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On Nov 6, 9:25 am, RiRiIII <alex_ri...@hotmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | OlivierMessiaen: ”La Transfiguration de Notre Seigneur Jésus-Christ“
Solisten: Kurt Redel, Flöte;
Eduard Brunner, Klarinette;
Walter Nothas, Violoncello;
Yvonne Loriod, Klavier;
Ludwig Schessl, Horst Huber, Karl Steinberger, Schlagzeug
Chor und Symphonieorchester des Bayerischen Rundfunks
Leitung: Rafael Kubelik
Aufnahme vom 11. Juni 1971 im Herkulessaal der Münchner Residenz
mp3s, 256
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This is a wonderful discovery - thank you so much for posting it. I
have two photos of Messiaen and Kubelik taken during the rehearsals
for this performance - they look very much at ease with each other and
I know it was a very happy occasion for Messiaen. |
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