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 Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 6:43 am Post subject: Zappa Drummer Jimmy Carl Black R.I.P |
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Original Frank Zappa and the Mothers of Invention drummer Jimmy Carl
Black, who called himself "the Indian of the group", died on Saturday,
November 1. According to Rolling Stone's Rock and Roll Daily blog, the
70-year-old Black suffered from lung cancer. A message on Black's
website reads, "Jimmy says hi to everybody and he doesn't want anybody
to be sad."
Black's time in the Mothers of Invention began with their inception
and debut, 1966's Freak Out!, and ended with 1970's Weasels Ripped My
Flesh. His work with Zappa extended beyond the Mothers of Invention;
he also played on Zappa solo albums such as Lumpy Gravy, 200 Motels,
and You Are What You Is. He also appeared in the 200 Motels film,
singing "Lonesome Cowboy Burt".
Additionally, Black recorded albums under his own name, with his own
band Geronimo Black, and with Zappa tribute bands the Grandmothers and
the Muffin Men. Rock and Roll Daily also reports that he played with
Captain Beefheart.
A benefit for Black will be held at London's Bridgehouse II on
November 9, reports Rock and Roll Daily. |
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| Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 2:28 pm Post subject: Re: Zappa Drummer Jimmy Carl Black R.I.P |
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On Nov 6, 8:44 am, "Burton Busk" <burton...@comcast.net> wrote:
| Quote: | "Mystic" <mys...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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Original Frank Zappa and the Mothers of Invention drummer Jimmy Carl
Black, who called himself "the Indian of the group", died on Saturday,
November 1. According to Rolling Stone's Rock and Roll Daily blog, the
70-year-old Black suffered from lung cancer. A message on Black's
website reads, "Jimmy says hi to everybody and he doesn't want anybody
to be sad."
Black's time in the Mothers of Invention began with their inception
and debut, 1966's Freak Out!, and ended with 1970's Weasels Ripped My
Flesh. His work with Zappa extended beyond the Mothers of Invention;
he also played on Zappa solo albums such as Lumpy Gravy, 200 Motels,
and You Are What You Is. He also appeared in the 200 Motels film,
singing "Lonesome Cowboy Burt".
Additionally, Black recorded albums under his own name, with his own
band Geronimo Black, and with Zappa tribute bands the Grandmothers and
the Muffin Men. Rock and Roll Daily also reports that he played with
Captain Beefheart.
A benefit for Black will be held at London's Bridgehouse II on
November 9, reports Rock and Roll Daily.
"Hi Boys and Girls! I'm Jimmy Carl Black and I'm the Indian of the group."
Every fan of the original Mothers Of Invention knows that line. One of the
immortals! Those early Mothers albums are classics, and once in a while
there's some great music on them too. Although they played mostly Frank's
bizarre and silly stuff, the Mothers were always fine musicians when they
were allowed to be, and Jimmy Carl Black was no exception. Frank always had
excellent drummers. And probably the ONLY good thing about 200 Motels was
"Lonesome Cowboy Burt", for some strange reason a personal favorite of mine.
RIP Jimmy. We are the Mother people. Thank you for everything.- Hide quoted text -
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i met him once i think at one of em GRANDMOTHER shows. love what he
said on that CAPT BEEFHEART documentary: "now FRANK was good but
DON, now he was the REAL THING".
and GERONIMO BLACK had the fellow from LOVE in it, if my memory is
correct. |
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| Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 7:44 pm Post subject: Re: Zappa Drummer Jimmy Carl Black R.I.P |
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Original Frank Zappa and the Mothers of Invention drummer Jimmy Carl
Black, who called himself "the Indian of the group", died on Saturday,
November 1. According to Rolling Stone's Rock and Roll Daily blog, the
70-year-old Black suffered from lung cancer. A message on Black's
website reads, "Jimmy says hi to everybody and he doesn't want anybody
to be sad."
Black's time in the Mothers of Invention began with their inception
and debut, 1966's Freak Out!, and ended with 1970's Weasels Ripped My
Flesh. His work with Zappa extended beyond the Mothers of Invention;
he also played on Zappa solo albums such as Lumpy Gravy, 200 Motels,
and You Are What You Is. He also appeared in the 200 Motels film,
singing "Lonesome Cowboy Burt".
Additionally, Black recorded albums under his own name, with his own
band Geronimo Black, and with Zappa tribute bands the Grandmothers and
the Muffin Men. Rock and Roll Daily also reports that he played with
Captain Beefheart.
A benefit for Black will be held at London's Bridgehouse II on
November 9, reports Rock and Roll Daily.
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"Hi Boys and Girls! I'm Jimmy Carl Black and I'm the Indian of the group."
Every fan of the original Mothers Of Invention knows that line. One of the
immortals! Those early Mothers albums are classics, and once in a while
there's some great music on them too. Although they played mostly Frank's
bizarre and silly stuff, the Mothers were always fine musicians when they
were allowed to be, and Jimmy Carl Black was no exception. Frank always had
excellent drummers. And probably the ONLY good thing about 200 Motels was
"Lonesome Cowboy Burt", for some strange reason a personal favorite of mine.
RIP Jimmy. We are the Mother people. Thank you for everything. |
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| Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 1:21 am Post subject: Re: Zappa Drummer Jimmy Carl Black R.I.P |
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<musicaner@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Nov 6, 8:44 am, "Burton Busk" <burton...@comcast.net> wrote:
| Quote: | "Mystic" <mys...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:sbf4h41pei1oq8aknfkjimobdevpjqck9q@4ax.com...
Original Frank Zappa and the Mothers of Invention drummer Jimmy Carl
Black, who called himself "the Indian of the group", died on Saturday,
November 1. According to Rolling Stone's Rock and Roll Daily blog, the
70-year-old Black suffered from lung cancer. A message on Black's
website reads, "Jimmy says hi to everybody and he doesn't want anybody
to be sad."
Black's time in the Mothers of Invention began with their inception
and debut, 1966's Freak Out!, and ended with 1970's Weasels Ripped My
Flesh. His work with Zappa extended beyond the Mothers of Invention;
he also played on Zappa solo albums such as Lumpy Gravy, 200 Motels,
and You Are What You Is. He also appeared in the 200 Motels film,
singing "Lonesome Cowboy Burt".
Additionally, Black recorded albums under his own name, with his own
band Geronimo Black, and with Zappa tribute bands the Grandmothers and
the Muffin Men. Rock and Roll Daily also reports that he played with
Captain Beefheart.
A benefit for Black will be held at London's Bridgehouse II on
November 9, reports Rock and Roll Daily.
"Hi Boys and Girls! I'm Jimmy Carl Black and I'm the Indian of the group."
Every fan of the original Mothers Of Invention knows that line. One of the
immortals! Those early Mothers albums are classics, and once in a while
there's some great music on them too. Although they played mostly Frank's
bizarre and silly stuff, the Mothers were always fine musicians when they
were allowed to be, and Jimmy Carl Black was no exception. Frank always
had
excellent drummers. And probably the ONLY good thing about 200 Motels was
"Lonesome Cowboy Burt", for some strange reason a personal favorite of
mine.
RIP Jimmy. We are the Mother people. Thank you for everything.- Hide
quoted text -
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"i met him once i think at one of em GRANDMOTHER shows. love what he
said on that CAPT BEEFHEART documentary: "now FRANK was good but
DON, now he was the REAL THING".
and GERONIMO BLACK had the fellow from LOVE in it, if my memory is
correct."
If I could have only met one Mother Of Invention, it woulda been Black. He
seemed like a nice man, and a funny guy.
Man, it woulda been great to be a fly on the wall in the mid-60's in L.A.
with all those characters assembled in one room --- Frank, the good Captain,
Jimmy, Motorhead, Ray Estrada, maybe Wild Man Fischer. Good crazy. |
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| Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 8:46 am Post subject: Re: Zappa Drummer Jimmy Carl Black R.I.P |
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"colonialacres" <colonialacres@comcast.net> said:
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musicaner@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:31072a8a-7e67-4c19-b0d9-e492b20ee378@o4g2000pra.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 6, 8:44 am, "Burton Busk" <burton...@comcast.net> wrote:
"Mystic" <mys...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:sbf4h41pei1oq8aknfkjimobdevpjqck9q@4ax.com...
Original Frank Zappa and the Mothers of Invention drummer Jimmy Carl
Black, who called himself "the Indian of the group", died on Saturday,
November 1. According to Rolling Stone's Rock and Roll Daily blog, the
70-year-old Black suffered from lung cancer. A message on Black's
website reads, "Jimmy says hi to everybody and he doesn't want anybody
to be sad."
Black's time in the Mothers of Invention began with their inception
and debut, 1966's Freak Out!, and ended with 1970's Weasels Ripped My
Flesh. His work with Zappa extended beyond the Mothers of Invention;
he also played on Zappa solo albums such as Lumpy Gravy, 200 Motels,
and You Are What You Is. He also appeared in the 200 Motels film,
singing "Lonesome Cowboy Burt".
Additionally, Black recorded albums under his own name, with his own
band Geronimo Black, and with Zappa tribute bands the Grandmothers and
the Muffin Men. Rock and Roll Daily also reports that he played with
Captain Beefheart.
A benefit for Black will be held at London's Bridgehouse II on
November 9, reports Rock and Roll Daily.
"Hi Boys and Girls! I'm Jimmy Carl Black and I'm the Indian of the group."
Every fan of the original Mothers Of Invention knows that line. One of the
immortals! Those early Mothers albums are classics, and once in a while
there's some great music on them too. Although they played mostly Frank's
bizarre and silly stuff, the Mothers were always fine musicians when they
were allowed to be, and Jimmy Carl Black was no exception. Frank always
had
excellent drummers. And probably the ONLY good thing about 200 Motels was
"Lonesome Cowboy Burt", for some strange reason a personal favorite of
mine.
RIP Jimmy. We are the Mother people. Thank you for everything.- Hide
quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
"i met him once i think at one of em GRANDMOTHER shows. love what he
said on that CAPT BEEFHEART documentary: "now FRANK was good but
DON, now he was the REAL THING".
and GERONIMO BLACK had the fellow from LOVE in it, if my memory is
correct."
If I could have only met one Mother Of Invention, it woulda been Black. He
seemed like a nice man, and a funny guy.
Man, it woulda been great to be a fly on the wall in the mid-60's in L.A.
with all those characters assembled in one room --- Frank, the good Captain,
Jimmy, Motorhead, Ray Estrada, maybe Wild Man Fischer. Good crazy.
I won't bore you with my Zappa stories but I will say that |
when I was doing my schooling at the Hollywood Barber
College Larry Fischer was one of my regular clients. Haircut
and a shave. Amazing guy... |
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| Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 1:37 pm Post subject: Re: Zappa Drummer Jimmy Carl Black R.I.P |
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On Nov 25, 8:24 am, "Burton Busk" <burton...@comcast.net> wrote:
| Quote: | "The New Guy" <somebullshitusern...@somenonexistentaddress.com> wrote in
messagenews:38umi49jf1tm17trpeq57jh0mnq2gs77lk@4ax.com...
"colonialacres" <colonialac...@comcast.net> said:
musica...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:31072a8a-7e67-4c19-b0d9-e492b20ee378@o4g2000pra.googlegroups.com....
On Nov 6, 8:44 am, "Burton Busk" <burton...@comcast.net> wrote:
"Mystic" <mys...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:sbf4h41pei1oq8aknfkjimobdevpjqck9q@4ax.com...
Original Frank Zappa and the Mothers of Invention drummer Jimmy Carl
Black, who called himself "the Indian of the group", died on Saturday,
November 1. According to Rolling Stone's Rock and Roll Daily blog, the
70-year-old Black suffered from lung cancer. A message on Black's
website reads, "Jimmy says hi to everybody and he doesn't want anybody
to be sad."
Black's time in the Mothers of Invention began with their inception
and debut, 1966's Freak Out!, and ended with 1970's Weasels Ripped My
Flesh. His work with Zappa extended beyond the Mothers of Invention;
he also played on Zappa solo albums such as Lumpy Gravy, 200 Motels,
and You Are What You Is. He also appeared in the 200 Motels film,
singing "Lonesome Cowboy Burt".
Additionally, Black recorded albums under his own name, with his own
band Geronimo Black, and with Zappa tribute bands the Grandmothers and
the Muffin Men. Rock and Roll Daily also reports that he played with
Captain Beefheart.
A benefit for Black will be held at London's Bridgehouse II on
November 9, reports Rock and Roll Daily.
"Hi Boys and Girls! I'm Jimmy Carl Black and I'm the Indian of the
group."
Every fan of the original Mothers Of Invention knows that line. One of
the
immortals! Those early Mothers albums are classics, and once in a while
there's some great music on them too. Although they played mostly
Frank's
bizarre and silly stuff, the Mothers were always fine musicians when
they
were allowed to be, and Jimmy Carl Black was no exception. Frank always
had
excellent drummers. And probably the ONLY good thing about 200 Motels
was
"Lonesome Cowboy Burt", for some strange reason a personal favorite of
mine.
RIP Jimmy. We are the Mother people. Thank you for everything.- Hide
quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
"i met him once i think at one of em GRANDMOTHER shows. love what he
said on that CAPT BEEFHEART documentary: "now FRANK was good but
DON, now he was the REAL THING".
and GERONIMO BLACK had the fellow from LOVE in it, if my memory is
correct."
If I could have only met one Mother Of Invention, it woulda been Black. He
seemed like a nice man, and a funny guy.
Man, it woulda been great to be a fly on the wall in the mid-60's in L.A.
with all those characters assembled in one room --- Frank, the good
Captain,
Jimmy, Motorhead, Ray Estrada, maybe Wild Man Fischer. Good crazy.
I won't bore you with my Zappa stories but I will say that
when I was doing my schooling at the Hollywood Barber
College Larry Fischer was one of my regular clients. Haircut
and a shave. Amazing guy...
"My name is Larry, my name is Larry;
I have a mother, her name is Mother ...."
Very cool Nick! The hell with Bruce Springsteen, you cut Larry Fischer's
hair, now that's impressive!
Did he sing when he was there? I agree, a truly amazing guy. I first heard
him in about 1971, a friend had a Warner Bros sampler album that had several
Bizarre Records artists on it - Zappa; Beefheart; Fischer; the GTO's; and
others. My life would never be the same.
Any Wild Man Fischer stories, and Zappa stories, would not be boring to me!
Feel absolutely free.- Hide quoted text -
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they recentely made a DVD on WILD MAN FISCHER. i remember that GREAT
CAPT BEEFHEART resented the fact that ZAPPA put him on the BIZARRE
label. |
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| Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 3:04 pm Post subject: Re: Zappa Drummer Jimmy Carl Black R.I.P |
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On Nov 25, 9:46 am, "Burton Busk" <burton...@comcast.net> wrote:
| Quote: | musica...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Nov 25, 8:24 am, "Burton Busk" <burton...@comcast.net> wrote:
"The New Guy" <somebullshitusern...@somenonexistentaddress.com> wrote in
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"colonialacres" <colonialac...@comcast.net> said:
musica...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:31072a8a-7e67-4c19-b0d9-e492b20ee378@o4g2000pra.googlegroups.com....
On Nov 6, 8:44 am, "Burton Busk" <burton...@comcast.net> wrote:
"Mystic" <mys...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:sbf4h41pei1oq8aknfkjimobdevpjqck9q@4ax.com...
Original Frank Zappa and the Mothers of Invention drummer Jimmy Carl
Black, who called himself "the Indian of the group", died on
Saturday,
November 1. According to Rolling Stone's Rock and Roll Daily blog,
the
70-year-old Black suffered from lung cancer. A message on Black's
website reads, "Jimmy says hi to everybody and he doesn't want
anybody
to be sad."
Black's time in the Mothers of Invention began with their inception
and debut, 1966's Freak Out!, and ended with 1970's Weasels Ripped
My
Flesh. His work with Zappa extended beyond the Mothers of Invention;
he also played on Zappa solo albums such as Lumpy Gravy, 200 Motels,
and You Are What You Is. He also appeared in the 200 Motels film,
singing "Lonesome Cowboy Burt".
Additionally, Black recorded albums under his own name, with his own
band Geronimo Black, and with Zappa tribute bands the Grandmothers
and
the Muffin Men. Rock and Roll Daily also reports that he played with
Captain Beefheart.
A benefit for Black will be held at London's Bridgehouse II on
November 9, reports Rock and Roll Daily.
"Hi Boys and Girls! I'm Jimmy Carl Black and I'm the Indian of the
group."
Every fan of the original Mothers Of Invention knows that line. One of
the
immortals! Those early Mothers albums are classics, and once in a
while
there's some great music on them too. Although they played mostly
Frank's
bizarre and silly stuff, the Mothers were always fine musicians when
they
were allowed to be, and Jimmy Carl Black was no exception. Frank
always
had
excellent drummers. And probably the ONLY good thing about 200 Motels
was
"Lonesome Cowboy Burt", for some strange reason a personal favorite of
mine.
RIP Jimmy. We are the Mother people. Thank you for everything.- Hide
quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
"i met him once i think at one of em GRANDMOTHER shows. love what he
said on that CAPT BEEFHEART documentary: "now FRANK was good but
DON, now he was the REAL THING".
and GERONIMO BLACK had the fellow from LOVE in it, if my memory is
correct."
If I could have only met one Mother Of Invention, it woulda been Black.
He
seemed like a nice man, and a funny guy.
Man, it woulda been great to be a fly on the wall in the mid-60's in
L.A.
with all those characters assembled in one room --- Frank, the good
Captain,
Jimmy, Motorhead, Ray Estrada, maybe Wild Man Fischer. Good crazy.
I won't bore you with my Zappa stories but I will say that
when I was doing my schooling at the Hollywood Barber
College Larry Fischer was one of my regular clients. Haircut
and a shave. Amazing guy...
"My name is Larry, my name is Larry;
I have a mother, her name is Mother ...."
Very cool Nick! The hell with Bruce Springsteen, you cut Larry Fischer's
hair, now that's impressive!
Did he sing when he was there? I agree, a truly amazing guy. I first heard
him in about 1971, a friend had a Warner Bros sampler album that had
several
Bizarre Records artists on it - Zappa; Beefheart; Fischer; the GTO's; and
others. My life would never be the same.
Any Wild Man Fischer stories, and Zappa stories, would not be boring to
me!
Feel absolutely free.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
"they recentely made a DVD on WILD MAN FISCHER."
That should be an interesting one. My Xmas list is growing.
"i remember that GREAT
CAPT BEEFHEART resented the fact that ZAPPA put him on the BIZARRE
label."
LOL! How dare Frank take that outrageous leap.- Hide quoted text -
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he coulda have put him on the STRAIGHT LABEL but the CAPT felt that he
put him on the FREAK label, and he had a point. like JIMMY BLACK
himself said it, "FRANK was good
BUT CAPTAIN BEEFHEART was the real thing". an ARTIST of the HIGHEST
ORDER the GOOD CAPT and his records are monuments of MUSICALITY!! |
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"The New Guy" <somebullshitusername@somenonexistentaddress.com> wrote in
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| Quote: | "colonialacres" <colonialacres@comcast.net> said:
musicaner@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Nov 6, 8:44 am, "Burton Busk" <burton...@comcast.net> wrote:
"Mystic" <mys...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:sbf4h41pei1oq8aknfkjimobdevpjqck9q@4ax.com...
Original Frank Zappa and the Mothers of Invention drummer Jimmy Carl
Black, who called himself "the Indian of the group", died on Saturday,
November 1. According to Rolling Stone's Rock and Roll Daily blog, the
70-year-old Black suffered from lung cancer. A message on Black's
website reads, "Jimmy says hi to everybody and he doesn't want anybody
to be sad."
Black's time in the Mothers of Invention began with their inception
and debut, 1966's Freak Out!, and ended with 1970's Weasels Ripped My
Flesh. His work with Zappa extended beyond the Mothers of Invention;
he also played on Zappa solo albums such as Lumpy Gravy, 200 Motels,
and You Are What You Is. He also appeared in the 200 Motels film,
singing "Lonesome Cowboy Burt".
Additionally, Black recorded albums under his own name, with his own
band Geronimo Black, and with Zappa tribute bands the Grandmothers and
the Muffin Men. Rock and Roll Daily also reports that he played with
Captain Beefheart.
A benefit for Black will be held at London's Bridgehouse II on
November 9, reports Rock and Roll Daily.
"Hi Boys and Girls! I'm Jimmy Carl Black and I'm the Indian of the
group."
Every fan of the original Mothers Of Invention knows that line. One of
the
immortals! Those early Mothers albums are classics, and once in a while
there's some great music on them too. Although they played mostly
Frank's
bizarre and silly stuff, the Mothers were always fine musicians when
they
were allowed to be, and Jimmy Carl Black was no exception. Frank always
had
excellent drummers. And probably the ONLY good thing about 200 Motels
was
"Lonesome Cowboy Burt", for some strange reason a personal favorite of
mine.
RIP Jimmy. We are the Mother people. Thank you for everything.- Hide
quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
"i met him once i think at one of em GRANDMOTHER shows. love what he
said on that CAPT BEEFHEART documentary: "now FRANK was good but
DON, now he was the REAL THING".
and GERONIMO BLACK had the fellow from LOVE in it, if my memory is
correct."
If I could have only met one Mother Of Invention, it woulda been Black. He
seemed like a nice man, and a funny guy.
Man, it woulda been great to be a fly on the wall in the mid-60's in L.A.
with all those characters assembled in one room --- Frank, the good
Captain,
Jimmy, Motorhead, Ray Estrada, maybe Wild Man Fischer. Good crazy.
I won't bore you with my Zappa stories but I will say that
when I was doing my schooling at the Hollywood Barber
College Larry Fischer was one of my regular clients. Haircut
and a shave. Amazing guy...
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"My name is Larry, my name is Larry;
I have a mother, her name is Mother ...."
Very cool Nick! The hell with Bruce Springsteen, you cut Larry Fischer's
hair, now that's impressive!
Did he sing when he was there? I agree, a truly amazing guy. I first heard
him in about 1971, a friend had a Warner Bros sampler album that had several
Bizarre Records artists on it - Zappa; Beefheart; Fischer; the GTO's; and
others. My life would never be the same.
Any Wild Man Fischer stories, and Zappa stories, would not be boring to me!
Feel absolutely free. |
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| Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 8:46 pm Post subject: Re: Zappa Drummer Jimmy Carl Black R.I.P |
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<musicaner@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Nov 25, 8:24 am, "Burton Busk" <burton...@comcast.net> wrote:
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"colonialacres" <colonialac...@comcast.net> said:
musica...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Nov 6, 8:44 am, "Burton Busk" <burton...@comcast.net> wrote:
"Mystic" <mys...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:sbf4h41pei1oq8aknfkjimobdevpjqck9q@4ax.com...
Original Frank Zappa and the Mothers of Invention drummer Jimmy Carl
Black, who called himself "the Indian of the group", died on
Saturday,
November 1. According to Rolling Stone's Rock and Roll Daily blog,
the
70-year-old Black suffered from lung cancer. A message on Black's
website reads, "Jimmy says hi to everybody and he doesn't want
anybody
to be sad."
Black's time in the Mothers of Invention began with their inception
and debut, 1966's Freak Out!, and ended with 1970's Weasels Ripped
My
Flesh. His work with Zappa extended beyond the Mothers of Invention;
he also played on Zappa solo albums such as Lumpy Gravy, 200 Motels,
and You Are What You Is. He also appeared in the 200 Motels film,
singing "Lonesome Cowboy Burt".
Additionally, Black recorded albums under his own name, with his own
band Geronimo Black, and with Zappa tribute bands the Grandmothers
and
the Muffin Men. Rock and Roll Daily also reports that he played with
Captain Beefheart.
A benefit for Black will be held at London's Bridgehouse II on
November 9, reports Rock and Roll Daily.
"Hi Boys and Girls! I'm Jimmy Carl Black and I'm the Indian of the
group."
Every fan of the original Mothers Of Invention knows that line. One of
the
immortals! Those early Mothers albums are classics, and once in a
while
there's some great music on them too. Although they played mostly
Frank's
bizarre and silly stuff, the Mothers were always fine musicians when
they
were allowed to be, and Jimmy Carl Black was no exception. Frank
always
had
excellent drummers. And probably the ONLY good thing about 200 Motels
was
"Lonesome Cowboy Burt", for some strange reason a personal favorite of
mine.
RIP Jimmy. We are the Mother people. Thank you for everything.- Hide
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"i met him once i think at one of em GRANDMOTHER shows. love what he
said on that CAPT BEEFHEART documentary: "now FRANK was good but
DON, now he was the REAL THING".
and GERONIMO BLACK had the fellow from LOVE in it, if my memory is
correct."
If I could have only met one Mother Of Invention, it woulda been Black.
He
seemed like a nice man, and a funny guy.
Man, it woulda been great to be a fly on the wall in the mid-60's in
L.A.
with all those characters assembled in one room --- Frank, the good
Captain,
Jimmy, Motorhead, Ray Estrada, maybe Wild Man Fischer. Good crazy.
I won't bore you with my Zappa stories but I will say that
when I was doing my schooling at the Hollywood Barber
College Larry Fischer was one of my regular clients. Haircut
and a shave. Amazing guy...
"My name is Larry, my name is Larry;
I have a mother, her name is Mother ...."
Very cool Nick! The hell with Bruce Springsteen, you cut Larry Fischer's
hair, now that's impressive!
Did he sing when he was there? I agree, a truly amazing guy. I first heard
him in about 1971, a friend had a Warner Bros sampler album that had
several
Bizarre Records artists on it - Zappa; Beefheart; Fischer; the GTO's; and
others. My life would never be the same.
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"they recentely made a DVD on WILD MAN FISCHER."
That should be an interesting one. My Xmas list is growing.
"i remember that GREAT
CAPT BEEFHEART resented the fact that ZAPPA put him on the BIZARRE
label."
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On Nov 25, 9:46 am, "Burton Busk" <burton...@comcast.net> wrote:
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On Nov 6, 8:44 am, "Burton Busk" <burton...@comcast.net> wrote:
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Original Frank Zappa and the Mothers of Invention drummer Jimmy
Carl
Black, who called himself "the Indian of the group", died on
Saturday,
November 1. According to Rolling Stone's Rock and Roll Daily blog,
the
70-year-old Black suffered from lung cancer. A message on Black's
website reads, "Jimmy says hi to everybody and he doesn't want
anybody
to be sad."
Black's time in the Mothers of Invention began with their
inception
and debut, 1966's Freak Out!, and ended with 1970's Weasels Ripped
My
Flesh. His work with Zappa extended beyond the Mothers of
Invention;
he also played on Zappa solo albums such as Lumpy Gravy, 200
Motels,
and You Are What You Is. He also appeared in the 200 Motels film,
singing "Lonesome Cowboy Burt".
Additionally, Black recorded albums under his own name, with his
own
band Geronimo Black, and with Zappa tribute bands the Grandmothers
and
the Muffin Men. Rock and Roll Daily also reports that he played
with
Captain Beefheart.
A benefit for Black will be held at London's Bridgehouse II on
November 9, reports Rock and Roll Daily.
"Hi Boys and Girls! I'm Jimmy Carl Black and I'm the Indian of the
group."
Every fan of the original Mothers Of Invention knows that line. One
of
the
immortals! Those early Mothers albums are classics, and once in a
while
there's some great music on them too. Although they played mostly
Frank's
bizarre and silly stuff, the Mothers were always fine musicians when
they
were allowed to be, and Jimmy Carl Black was no exception. Frank
always
had
excellent drummers. And probably the ONLY good thing about 200
Motels
was
"Lonesome Cowboy Burt", for some strange reason a personal favorite
of
mine.
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"i met him once i think at one of em GRANDMOTHER shows. love what he
said on that CAPT BEEFHEART documentary: "now FRANK was good but
DON, now he was the REAL THING".
and GERONIMO BLACK had the fellow from LOVE in it, if my memory is
correct."
If I could have only met one Mother Of Invention, it woulda been
Black.
He
seemed like a nice man, and a funny guy.
Man, it woulda been great to be a fly on the wall in the mid-60's in
L.A.
with all those characters assembled in one room --- Frank, the good
Captain,
Jimmy, Motorhead, Ray Estrada, maybe Wild Man Fischer. Good crazy.
I won't bore you with my Zappa stories but I will say that
when I was doing my schooling at the Hollywood Barber
College Larry Fischer was one of my regular clients. Haircut
and a shave. Amazing guy...
"My name is Larry, my name is Larry;
I have a mother, her name is Mother ...."
Very cool Nick! The hell with Bruce Springsteen, you cut Larry Fischer's
hair, now that's impressive!
Did he sing when he was there? I agree, a truly amazing guy. I first
heard
him in about 1971, a friend had a Warner Bros sampler album that had
several
Bizarre Records artists on it - Zappa; Beefheart; Fischer; the GTO's;
and
others. My life would never be the same.
Any Wild Man Fischer stories, and Zappa stories, would not be boring to
me!
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"they recentely made a DVD on WILD MAN FISCHER."
That should be an interesting one. My Xmas list is growing.
"i remember that GREAT
CAPT BEEFHEART resented the fact that ZAPPA put him on the BIZARRE
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"he coulda have put him on the STRAIGHT LABEL but the CAPT felt that he
put him on the FREAK label, and he had a point. like JIMMY BLACK
himself said it, "FRANK was good
BUT CAPTAIN BEEFHEART was the real thing". an ARTIST of the HIGHEST
ORDER the GOOD CAPT and his records are monuments of MUSICALITY!!"
True, I forgot about Straight. But don't you think that in enjoying the good
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"he coulda have put him on the STRAIGHT LABEL but the CAPT felt that he
put him on the FREAK label, and he had a point."
Happen to have a Zappa biography right here, and it says that once Straight
came along, Bizarre wasn't the freak label; it was the label that he had to
release the albums of the better artists on (the ones that Warners wanted
the option on). If Warners didn't want the act, he'd release them on
Straight (The very first Straight release was the first Alice Cooper record,
who seemed VERY freakish at the time).
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On Nov 25, 5:53 pm, "Burton Busk" <burton...@comcast.net> wrote:
| Quote: | musica...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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"he coulda have put him on the STRAIGHT LABEL but the CAPT felt that he
put him on the FREAK label, and he had a point."
Happen to have a Zappa biography right here, and it says that once Straight
came along, Bizarre wasn't the freak label; it was the label that he had to
release the albums of the better artists on (the ones that Warners wanted
the option on). If Warners didn't want the act, he'd release them on
Straight (The very first Straight release was the first Alice Cooper record,
who seemed VERY freakish at the time).
So actually to be released on Bizarre was a complement.
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he RELEASED WILD MAN FISCHER on BIZARRE. i doubt that WARNERS tought
that was commercial. or that record by the
groupies (GTO?). did ZAPPA release himself on STRAIGHT or BIZARRE?
the CAPT was very troubled by this. |
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| Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 4:29 pm Post subject: Re: Zappa Drummer Jimmy Carl Black R.I.P |
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On Nov 26, 10:23 am, "Burton Busk" <burton...@comcast.net> wrote:
| Quote: | "Burton Busk" <burton...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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According to Wikipedia, Bizarre and Straight were set up as you and the
Captain thought --- the more unusual acts were to be on Bizarre; the more
mainstream ones on Straight. But the original concert failed to work out
That should read "concept", not "concert".
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i SUPPOSE he meant then to be put on STRAIGHT with the other freaks,
while ZAPPA set himself apart on on the
BIZARRE LABEL. i know ZAPPA held back BAT CHAIN PULLER and wouldnt let
the CAPT release it, due to his suit with his manager, but i dont know
what label that was supposed to be on, as he had other labels after
STRAIGHT/BIZZARE.
so if BIZARRE was for the GOOD STRAIGHT ARTISTS i assume TIM BUCKELY
was on BIZARRE? they both had the same manager HERB COHEN , who is the
fellow zappa had the lawsuit goin on with. |
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| Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 9:11 pm Post subject: Re: Zappa Drummer Jimmy Carl Black R.I.P |
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On Nov 25, 5:53 pm, "Burton Busk" <burton...@comcast.net> wrote:
| Quote: | musica...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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"he coulda have put him on the STRAIGHT LABEL but the CAPT felt that he
put him on the FREAK label, and he had a point."
Happen to have a Zappa biography right here, and it says that once
Straight
came along, Bizarre wasn't the freak label; it was the label that he had
to
release the albums of the better artists on (the ones that Warners wanted
the option on). If Warners didn't want the act, he'd release them on
Straight (The very first Straight release was the first Alice Cooper
record,
who seemed VERY freakish at the time).
So actually to be released on Bizarre was a complement.
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"he RELEASED WILD MAN FISCHER on BIZARRE. i doubt that WARNERS tought
that was commercial. or that record by the
groupies (GTO?). did ZAPPA release himself on STRAIGHT or BIZARRE?
the CAPT was very troubled by this."
According to Wikipedia, Bizarre and Straight were set up as you and the
Captain thought --- the more unusual acts were to be on Bizarre; the more
mainstream ones on Straight. But the original concert failed to work out
because of distribution and management issues.
Most of Zappa's stuff at the time was on Bizarre. The only other Bizarre
artists were Wild Man Fischer and Lenny Bruce.
All the others were on Straight --- Beefheart; Girls Together Outrageously;
Alice Cooper; Tim Buckley; Lord Buckley; The Persuasions; and a few others.
Remember, Beefheart was always filled with self-doubt, maybe even paranoia.
He was apparently never on Bizarre. |
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| Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 9:23 pm Post subject: Re: Zappa Drummer Jimmy Carl Black R.I.P |
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| Quote: | According to Wikipedia, Bizarre and Straight were set up as you and the
Captain thought --- the more unusual acts were to be on Bizarre; the more
mainstream ones on Straight. But the original concert failed to work out
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