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There's a part in that chapter that I've read a few dozen times...and
still
can't make heads or tails of it.
Dylan writes about how he used to play/sing using even numbers...but
then
when he switched to odd numbers, it
all fell into place. I've looked at it from every possible angle and
can't
make a bit of sense out of what he's talking about.
" the guitar thing he must have meant that guitar style he adopted
sometime in the NEVER ENDING TOUR where he would play those triplets
over and over again., and he sorta adopted an anti backbeat type of
vibe around that time, thats what he means i suppose."
Yeah, I haven't read the book, but it sounds like maybe he is talking
about odd time signatures. And maybe he picked that up from playing with
the Dead --- I doubt if they played "The Eleven" when they toured with
Bob, but they sure as heck played "The Other One" plenty, and that's
filled with triplets.
Okay, all of you all will probably think I'm a knuckehead for asking this,
since I've
been playing guitar for over 30 years...but what exactly are triplets??
The only time I heard the term used was once...a long time ago...to
describe the
rhythm guitar playing on "All My Loving"...but that seems to be coming at
a staccato-type
pace. With Dylan, how would triplets work on a much slower song??
And how is it different from the way most folks play guitar?
And will I be unable to play them since my right-hand isn't all that
coordinated?
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Triplets are basically having 3 notes occupying the space normally occupied
by 2. I think.
As I understand it, for example, where there would normally be 2 quarter
notes played in the same duration as a half note, if you played triplets
there would be 3 quarter notes played in the same length of time as a half
note, instead. In other words, it's increasing the note value by 50%, while
using the same time duration.
Quadruplets, quintuplets, on and on, same concept. |
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| Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 12:38 am Post subject: Re: Incoming................ |
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On Oct 16, 9:44 pm, "Willy Eyenine" <billye...@comcast.net> wrote:
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There's a part in that chapter that I've read a few dozen times...and
still
can't make heads or tails of it.
Dylan writes about how he used to play/sing using even numbers...but
then
when he switched to odd numbers, it
all fell into place. I've looked at it from every possible angle and
can't
make a bit of sense out of what he's talking about.
" the guitar thing he must have meant that guitar style he adopted
sometime in the NEVER ENDING TOUR where he would play those triplets
over and over again., and he sorta adopted an anti backbeat type of
vibe around that time, thats what he means i suppose."
Yeah, I haven't read the book, but it sounds like maybe he is talking
about odd time signatures. And maybe he picked that up from playing with
the Dead --- I doubt if they played "The Eleven" when they toured with
Bob, but they sure as heck played "The Other One" plenty, and that's
filled with triplets.
Okay, all of you all will probably think I'm a knuckehead for asking
this, since I've
been playing guitar for over 30 years...but what exactly are triplets??
The only time I heard the term used was once...a long time ago...to
describe the
rhythm guitar playing on "All My Loving"...but that seems to be coming at
a staccato-type
pace. With Dylan, how would triplets work on a much slower song??
And how is it different from the way most folks play guitar?
And will I be unable to play them since my right-hand isn't all that
coordinated?
Triplets are basically having 3 notes occupying the space normally
occupied by 2. I think.
As I understand it, for example, where there would normally be 2 quarter
notes played in the same duration as a half note, if you played triplets
there would be 3 quarter notes played in the same length of time as a half
note, instead. In other words, it's increasing the note value by 50%,
while using the same time duration.
Quadruplets, quintuplets, on and on, same concept.
Thanks...that makes sense. I'm still trying to piece together how this |
affected Dylan's
performing style besides his guitar playing. If it influenced the way he
atacked songs vocally, then the only thing I can think of is that he might
have begun to rush some his phrasing when singing by doing this. If that is
the way it worked, then I'm not so sure that was such a good thing.
In the early stages of the "Never Ending Tour" it wasn't all that
distracting, but these days...when his singing is more of a rushed
croak....it's not
all that pleasing to the ear. |
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On Oct 20, 7:52 am, "Burton Busk" <burton...@comcast.net> wrote:
| Quote: | "Willy Eyenine" <billye...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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On Oct 16, 9:44 pm, "Willy Eyenine" <billye...@comcast.net> wrote:
"musicaner" <musica...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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There's a part in that chapter that I've read a few dozen times...and
still
can't make heads or tails of it.
Dylan writes about how he used to play/sing using even numbers...but
then
when he switched to odd numbers, it
all fell into place. I've looked at it from every possible angle and
can't
make a bit of sense out of what he's talking about.
" the guitar thing he must have meant that guitar style he adopted
sometime in the NEVER ENDING TOUR where he would play those triplets
over and over again., and he sorta adopted an anti backbeat type of
vibe around that time, thats what he means i suppose."
Yeah, I haven't read the book, but it sounds like maybe he is talking
about odd time signatures. And maybe he picked that up from playing
with the Dead --- I doubt if they played "The Eleven" when they toured
with Bob, but they sure as heck played "The Other One" plenty, and
that's filled with triplets.
Okay, all of you all will probably think I'm a knuckehead for asking
this, since I've
been playing guitar for over 30 years...but what exactly are triplets??
The only time I heard the term used was once...a long time ago...to
describe the
rhythm guitar playing on "All My Loving"...but that seems to be coming
at a staccato-type
pace. With Dylan, how would triplets work on a much slower song??
And how is it different from the way most folks play guitar?
And will I be unable to play them since my right-hand isn't all that
coordinated?
Triplets are basically having 3 notes occupying the space normally
occupied by 2. I think.
As I understand it, for example, where there would normally be 2 quarter
notes played in the same duration as a half note, if you played triplets
there would be 3 quarter notes played in the same length of time as a
half note, instead. In other words, it's increasing the note value by
50%, while using the same time duration.
Quadruplets, quintuplets, on and on, same concept.
Thanks...that makes sense. I'm still trying to piece together how this
affected Dylan's
performing style besides his guitar playing. If it influenced the way he
atacked songs vocally, then the only thing I can think of is that he
might
have begun to rush some his phrasing when singing by doing this. If that
is the way it worked, then I'm not so sure that was such a good thing.
In the early stages of the "Never Ending Tour" it wasn't all that
distracting, but these days...when his singing is more of a rushed
croak....it's not
all that pleasing to the ear.
I can't help with the Dylan stuff; I'm just not familiar enough with the
material.- Hide quoted text -
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i knew YOKOS wouldnt go for the G droppin. BIG BIG PASS on em.
the BOB show has been unlistenable for many years now, he seems to
have no interest in even followin the flow of the song. its LIKE HES
readin a huge LONG SENTENCE without pause. but FOLK go wild at the
shows so more power to em. |
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On Oct 20, 9:53 am, "Burton Busk" <burton...@comcast.net> wrote:
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"Willy Eyenine" <billye...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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On Oct 16, 9:44 pm, "Willy Eyenine" <billye...@comcast.net> wrote:
"musicaner" <musica...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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There's a part in that chapter that I've read a few dozen
times...and
still
can't make heads or tails of it.
Dylan writes about how he used to play/sing using even numbers...but
then
when he switched to odd numbers, it
all fell into place. I've looked at it from every possible angle and
can't
make a bit of sense out of what he's talking about.
" the guitar thing he must have meant that guitar style he adopted
sometime in the NEVER ENDING TOUR where he would play those triplets
over and over again., and he sorta adopted an anti backbeat type of
vibe around that time, thats what he means i suppose."
Yeah, I haven't read the book, but it sounds like maybe he is talking
about odd time signatures. And maybe he picked that up from playing
with the Dead --- I doubt if they played "The Eleven" when they
toured
with Bob, but they sure as heck played "The Other One" plenty, and
that's filled with triplets.
Okay, all of you all will probably think I'm a knuckehead for asking
this, since I've
been playing guitar for over 30 years...but what exactly are
triplets??
The only time I heard the term used was once...a long time ago...to
describe the
rhythm guitar playing on "All My Loving"...but that seems to be coming
at a staccato-type
pace. With Dylan, how would triplets work on a much slower song??
And how is it different from the way most folks play guitar?
And will I be unable to play them since my right-hand isn't all that
coordinated?
Triplets are basically having 3 notes occupying the space normally
occupied by 2. I think.
As I understand it, for example, where there would normally be 2
quarter
notes played in the same duration as a half note, if you played
triplets
there would be 3 quarter notes played in the same length of time as a
half note, instead. In other words, it's increasing the note value by
50%, while using the same time duration.
Quadruplets, quintuplets, on and on, same concept.
Thanks...that makes sense. I'm still trying to piece together how this
affected Dylan's
performing style besides his guitar playing. If it influenced the way he
atacked songs vocally, then the only thing I can think of is that he
might
have begun to rush some his phrasing when singing by doing this. If that
is the way it worked, then I'm not so sure that was such a good thing..
In the early stages of the "Never Ending Tour" it wasn't all that
distracting, but these days...when his singing is more of a rushed
croak....it's not
all that pleasing to the ear.
I can't help with the Dylan stuff; I'm just not familiar enough with the
material.- Hide quoted text -
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"i knew YOKOS wouldnt go for the G droppin. BIG BIG PASS on em."
When Usenet is somebody's entire life, these things are important! Use of
capital letters too.
I almost feel sorry for the pathetic jealous fool. As sorry as I can be for
a coward, anyway.
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if they breathe and are able to drink beer they are highly regarded
amonst themselves. if i cared id set up one of OOMPA OOMPA parade for
em, but
i have AUTOMATIC PASS on em.
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have no interest in even followin the flow of the song. its LIKE HES
readin a huge LONG SENTENCE without pause. but FOLK go wild at the
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On Oct 20, 10:23 am, "Willy Eyenine" <billye...@comcast.net> wrote:
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On Oct 20, 7:52 am, "Burton Busk" <burton...@comcast.net> wrote:
"Willy Eyenine" <billye...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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There's a part in that chapter that I've read a few dozen
times...and
still
can't make heads or tails of it.
Dylan writes about how he used to play/sing using even numbers...but
then
when he switched to odd numbers, it
all fell into place. I've looked at it from every possible angle and
can't
make a bit of sense out of what he's talking about.
" the guitar thing he must have meant that guitar style he adopted
sometime in the NEVER ENDING TOUR where he would play those triplets
over and over again., and he sorta adopted an anti backbeat type of
vibe around that time, thats what he means i suppose."
Yeah, I haven't read the book, but it sounds like maybe he is talking
about odd time signatures. And maybe he picked that up from playing
with the Dead --- I doubt if they played "The Eleven" when they
toured
with Bob, but they sure as heck played "The Other One" plenty, and
that's filled with triplets.
Okay, all of you all will probably think I'm a knuckehead for asking
this, since I've
been playing guitar for over 30 years...but what exactly are
triplets??
The only time I heard the term used was once...a long time ago...to
describe the
rhythm guitar playing on "All My Loving"...but that seems to be coming
at a staccato-type
pace. With Dylan, how would triplets work on a much slower song??
And how is it different from the way most folks play guitar?
And will I be unable to play them since my right-hand isn't all that
coordinated?
Triplets are basically having 3 notes occupying the space normally
occupied by 2. I think.
As I understand it, for example, where there would normally be 2
quarter
notes played in the same duration as a half note, if you played
triplets
there would be 3 quarter notes played in the same length of time as a
half note, instead. In other words, it's increasing the note value by
50%, while using the same time duration.
Quadruplets, quintuplets, on and on, same concept.
Thanks...that makes sense. I'm still trying to piece together how this
affected Dylan's
performing style besides his guitar playing. If it influenced the way he
atacked songs vocally, then the only thing I can think of is that he
might
have begun to rush some his phrasing when singing by doing this. If that
is the way it worked, then I'm not so sure that was such a good thing..
In the early stages of the "Never Ending Tour" it wasn't all that
distracting, but these days...when his singing is more of a rushed
croak....it's not
all that pleasing to the ear.
I can't help with the Dylan stuff; I'm just not familiar enough with the
material.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
"i knew YOKOS wouldnt go for the G droppin. BIG BIG PASS on em.
the BOB show has been unlistenable for many years now, he seems to
have no interest in even followin the flow of the song. its LIKE HES
readin a huge LONG SENTENCE without pause. but FOLK go wild at the
shows so more power to em."
-------------------------------------------------------
I got lucky and saw a really good show from him in 2001.
The ones I saw after that, one just after MODERN TIMES, left me saying
that I'd pretty much had my fill of his live shows.
I'm flabbergasted when I read the reviews of his shows from this some,
where folks write how he's back in fine voice. I've heard bits from those
shows and its a talking growl, nothing more. It sure isn't singing.
Even during the final shows where he did sing, he did an annoying form
of upsinging, where the end of every line sounded as though a question mark
belonged on the end of it.- Hide quoted text -
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when he took up the KEYBOARD the singing went down hill, not only he
dont even seem to attemt to follow the song, it seems hes readin the
newspapter onstage, not that the singing throughout the NEVER ENDING
TOUR hasnt been iffy at best. |
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On Oct 16, 9:44 pm, "Willy Eyenine" <billye...@comcast.net> wrote:
"musicaner" <musica...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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There's a part in that chapter that I've read a few dozen times...and
still
can't make heads or tails of it.
Dylan writes about how he used to play/sing using even numbers...but
then
when he switched to odd numbers, it
all fell into place. I've looked at it from every possible angle and
can't
make a bit of sense out of what he's talking about.
" the guitar thing he must have meant that guitar style he adopted
sometime in the NEVER ENDING TOUR where he would play those triplets
over and over again., and he sorta adopted an anti backbeat type of
vibe around that time, thats what he means i suppose."
Yeah, I haven't read the book, but it sounds like maybe he is talking
about odd time signatures. And maybe he picked that up from playing
with the Dead --- I doubt if they played "The Eleven" when they toured
with Bob, but they sure as heck played "The Other One" plenty, and
that's filled with triplets.
Okay, all of you all will probably think I'm a knuckehead for asking
this, since I've
been playing guitar for over 30 years...but what exactly are triplets??
The only time I heard the term used was once...a long time ago...to
describe the
rhythm guitar playing on "All My Loving"...but that seems to be coming
at a staccato-type
pace. With Dylan, how would triplets work on a much slower song??
And how is it different from the way most folks play guitar?
And will I be unable to play them since my right-hand isn't all that
coordinated?
Triplets are basically having 3 notes occupying the space normally
occupied by 2. I think.
As I understand it, for example, where there would normally be 2 quarter
notes played in the same duration as a half note, if you played triplets
there would be 3 quarter notes played in the same length of time as a
half note, instead. In other words, it's increasing the note value by
50%, while using the same time duration.
Quadruplets, quintuplets, on and on, same concept.
Thanks...that makes sense. I'm still trying to piece together how this
affected Dylan's
performing style besides his guitar playing. If it influenced the way he
atacked songs vocally, then the only thing I can think of is that he
might
have begun to rush some his phrasing when singing by doing this. If that
is the way it worked, then I'm not so sure that was such a good thing.
In the early stages of the "Never Ending Tour" it wasn't all that
distracting, but these days...when his singing is more of a rushed
croak....it's not
all that pleasing to the ear.
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There's a part in that chapter that I've read a few dozen
times...and
still
can't make heads or tails of it.
Dylan writes about how he used to play/sing using even numbers...but
then
when he switched to odd numbers, it
all fell into place. I've looked at it from every possible angle and
can't
make a bit of sense out of what he's talking about.
" the guitar thing he must have meant that guitar style he adopted
sometime in the NEVER ENDING TOUR where he would play those triplets
over and over again., and he sorta adopted an anti backbeat type of
vibe around that time, thats what he means i suppose."
Yeah, I haven't read the book, but it sounds like maybe he is talking
about odd time signatures. And maybe he picked that up from playing
with the Dead --- I doubt if they played "The Eleven" when they
toured
with Bob, but they sure as heck played "The Other One" plenty, and
that's filled with triplets.
Okay, all of you all will probably think I'm a knuckehead for asking
this, since I've
been playing guitar for over 30 years...but what exactly are
triplets??
The only time I heard the term used was once...a long time ago...to
describe the
rhythm guitar playing on "All My Loving"...but that seems to be coming
at a staccato-type
pace. With Dylan, how would triplets work on a much slower song??
And how is it different from the way most folks play guitar?
And will I be unable to play them since my right-hand isn't all that
coordinated?
Triplets are basically having 3 notes occupying the space normally
occupied by 2. I think.
As I understand it, for example, where there would normally be 2
quarter
notes played in the same duration as a half note, if you played
triplets
there would be 3 quarter notes played in the same length of time as a
half note, instead. In other words, it's increasing the note value by
50%, while using the same time duration.
Quadruplets, quintuplets, on and on, same concept.
Thanks...that makes sense. I'm still trying to piece together how this
affected Dylan's
performing style besides his guitar playing. If it influenced the way he
atacked songs vocally, then the only thing I can think of is that he
might
have begun to rush some his phrasing when singing by doing this. If that
is the way it worked, then I'm not so sure that was such a good thing.
In the early stages of the "Never Ending Tour" it wasn't all that
distracting, but these days...when his singing is more of a rushed
croak....it's not
all that pleasing to the ear.
I can't help with the Dylan stuff; I'm just not familiar enough with the
material.- Hide quoted text -
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"i knew YOKOS wouldnt go for the G droppin. BIG BIG PASS on em."
When Usenet is somebody's entire life, these things are important! Use of
capital letters too.
I almost feel sorry for the pathetic jealous fool. As sorry as I can be for
a coward, anyway.
the BOB show has been unlistenable for many years now, he seems to
have no interest in even followin the flow of the song. its LIKE HES
readin a huge LONG SENTENCE without pause. but FOLK go wild at the
shows so more power to em. |
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There's a part in that chapter that I've read a few dozen
times...and
still
can't make heads or tails of it.
Dylan writes about how he used to play/sing using even numbers...but
then
when he switched to odd numbers, it
all fell into place. I've looked at it from every possible angle and
can't
make a bit of sense out of what he's talking about.
" the guitar thing he must have meant that guitar style he adopted
sometime in the NEVER ENDING TOUR where he would play those triplets
over and over again., and he sorta adopted an anti backbeat type of
vibe around that time, thats what he means i suppose."
Yeah, I haven't read the book, but it sounds like maybe he is talking
about odd time signatures. And maybe he picked that up from playing
with the Dead --- I doubt if they played "The Eleven" when they
toured
with Bob, but they sure as heck played "The Other One" plenty, and
that's filled with triplets.
Okay, all of you all will probably think I'm a knuckehead for asking
this, since I've
been playing guitar for over 30 years...but what exactly are
triplets??
The only time I heard the term used was once...a long time ago...to
describe the
rhythm guitar playing on "All My Loving"...but that seems to be coming
at a staccato-type
pace. With Dylan, how would triplets work on a much slower song??
And how is it different from the way most folks play guitar?
And will I be unable to play them since my right-hand isn't all that
coordinated?
Triplets are basically having 3 notes occupying the space normally
occupied by 2. I think.
As I understand it, for example, where there would normally be 2
quarter
notes played in the same duration as a half note, if you played
triplets
there would be 3 quarter notes played in the same length of time as a
half note, instead. In other words, it's increasing the note value by
50%, while using the same time duration.
Quadruplets, quintuplets, on and on, same concept.
Thanks...that makes sense. I'm still trying to piece together how this
affected Dylan's
performing style besides his guitar playing. If it influenced the way he
atacked songs vocally, then the only thing I can think of is that he
might
have begun to rush some his phrasing when singing by doing this. If that
is the way it worked, then I'm not so sure that was such a good thing.
In the early stages of the "Never Ending Tour" it wasn't all that
distracting, but these days...when his singing is more of a rushed
croak....it's not
all that pleasing to the ear.
I can't help with the Dylan stuff; I'm just not familiar enough with the
material.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
|
"i knew YOKOS wouldnt go for the G droppin. BIG BIG PASS on em.
the BOB show has been unlistenable for many years now, he seems to
have no interest in even followin the flow of the song. its LIKE HES
readin a huge LONG SENTENCE without pause. but FOLK go wild at the
shows so more power to em."
-------------------------------------------------------
I got lucky and saw a really good show from him in 2001.
The ones I saw after that, one just after MODERN TIMES, left me saying
that I'd pretty much had my fill of his live shows.
I'm flabbergasted when I read the reviews of his shows from this some,
where folks write how he's back in fine voice. I've heard bits from those
shows and its a talking growl, nothing more. It sure isn't singing.
Even during the final shows where he did sing, he did an annoying form
of upsinging, where the end of every line sounded as though a question mark
belonged on the end of it. |
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There's a part in that chapter that I've read a few dozen
times...and
still
can't make heads or tails of it.
Dylan writes about how he used to play/sing using even
numbers...but
then
when he switched to odd numbers, it
all fell into place. I've looked at it from every possible angle
and
can't
make a bit of sense out of what he's talking about.
" the guitar thing he must have meant that guitar style he adopted
sometime in the NEVER ENDING TOUR where he would play those
triplets
over and over again., and he sorta adopted an anti backbeat type of
vibe around that time, thats what he means i suppose."
Yeah, I haven't read the book, but it sounds like maybe he is
talking
about odd time signatures. And maybe he picked that up from playing
with the Dead --- I doubt if they played "The Eleven" when they
toured
with Bob, but they sure as heck played "The Other One" plenty, and
that's filled with triplets.
Okay, all of you all will probably think I'm a knuckehead for asking
this, since I've
been playing guitar for over 30 years...but what exactly are
triplets??
The only time I heard the term used was once...a long time ago...to
describe the
rhythm guitar playing on "All My Loving"...but that seems to be
coming
at a staccato-type
pace. With Dylan, how would triplets work on a much slower song??
And how is it different from the way most folks play guitar?
And will I be unable to play them since my right-hand isn't all that
coordinated?
Triplets are basically having 3 notes occupying the space normally
occupied by 2. I think.
As I understand it, for example, where there would normally be 2
quarter
notes played in the same duration as a half note, if you played
triplets
there would be 3 quarter notes played in the same length of time as a
half note, instead. In other words, it's increasing the note value by
50%, while using the same time duration.
Quadruplets, quintuplets, on and on, same concept.
Thanks...that makes sense. I'm still trying to piece together how this
affected Dylan's
performing style besides his guitar playing. If it influenced the way
he
atacked songs vocally, then the only thing I can think of is that he
might
have begun to rush some his phrasing when singing by doing this. If
that
is the way it worked, then I'm not so sure that was such a good thing.
In the early stages of the "Never Ending Tour" it wasn't all that
distracting, but these days...when his singing is more of a rushed
croak....it's not
all that pleasing to the ear.
I can't help with the Dylan stuff; I'm just not familiar enough with the
material.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
"i knew YOKOS wouldnt go for the G droppin. BIG BIG PASS on em.
the BOB show has been unlistenable for many years now, he seems to
have no interest in even followin the flow of the song. its LIKE HES
readin a huge LONG SENTENCE without pause. but FOLK go wild at the
shows so more power to em."
-------------------------------------------------------
I got lucky and saw a really good show from him in 2001.
The ones I saw after that, one just after MODERN TIMES, left me saying
that I'd pretty much had my fill of his live shows.
I'm flabbergasted when I read the reviews of his shows from this some,
where folks write how he's back in fine voice. I've heard bits from those
shows and its a talking growl, nothing more. It sure isn't singing.
Even during the final shows where he did sing, he did an annoying form
of upsinging, where the end of every line sounded as though a question
mark
belonged on the end of it.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
|
"when he took up the KEYBOARD the singing went down hill, not only he
dont even seem to attemt to follow the song, it seems hes readin the
newspapter onstage, not that the singing throughout the NEVER ENDING
TOUR hasnt been iffy at best."
=================================================
Overall, I'd agree with you. Since the Never Ending Tour, I've usually left
more disappointed by the evening's end.
But, man, his show in SF just about a month afte 9/11/01...that was one for
the ages.
I felt as though one was sitting in the middle of a treatise on the End of
Days.
I've lost count of how many times I've seen him over the years...some shows
bad, some very good, some great.
This was the show that I'd put in the "great" category.
By the time the lone spotlight was on him and he launched into "Sugar Baby,"
it was as though he was telling us to
say "so long" to the 20th Century....and that new and not especially better
days lay before us.
Even the missus...who could pretty much take or leave him...was pretty wowed
by his performance that night.
Now that I think of it, that October, 2001 gig was the last show I saw him
holding a guitar.
Every show after that was him hunched so low behind the keyboard that I
wondered how he could breathe, let alone sing.
By the time I saw him after the release of MODERN TIMES, it sure became
apparent that there's a lot of trickery done in the studio. |
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On Oct 16, 9:44 pm, "Willy Eyenine" <billye...@comcast.net> wrote:
"musicaner" <musica...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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There's a part in that chapter that I've read a few dozen
times...and
still
can't make heads or tails of it.
Dylan writes about how he used to play/sing using even
numbers...but
then
when he switched to odd numbers, it
all fell into place. I've looked at it from every possible angle
and
can't
make a bit of sense out of what he's talking about.
" the guitar thing he must have meant that guitar style he adopted
sometime in the NEVER ENDING TOUR where he would play those
triplets
over and over again., and he sorta adopted an anti backbeat type of
vibe around that time, thats what he means i suppose."
Yeah, I haven't read the book, but it sounds like maybe he is
talking
about odd time signatures. And maybe he picked that up from playing
with the Dead --- I doubt if they played "The Eleven" when they
toured
with Bob, but they sure as heck played "The Other One" plenty, and
that's filled with triplets.
Okay, all of you all will probably think I'm a knuckehead for asking
this, since I've
been playing guitar for over 30 years...but what exactly are
triplets??
The only time I heard the term used was once...a long time ago...to
describe the
rhythm guitar playing on "All My Loving"...but that seems to be
coming
at a staccato-type
pace. With Dylan, how would triplets work on a much slower song??
And how is it different from the way most folks play guitar?
And will I be unable to play them since my right-hand isn't all that
coordinated?
Triplets are basically having 3 notes occupying the space normally
occupied by 2. I think.
As I understand it, for example, where there would normally be 2
quarter
notes played in the same duration as a half note, if you played
triplets
there would be 3 quarter notes played in the same length of time as a
half note, instead. In other words, it's increasing the note value by
50%, while using the same time duration.
Quadruplets, quintuplets, on and on, same concept.
Thanks...that makes sense. I'm still trying to piece together how this
affected Dylan's
performing style besides his guitar playing. If it influenced the way
he
atacked songs vocally, then the only thing I can think of is that he
might
have begun to rush some his phrasing when singing by doing this. If
that
is the way it worked, then I'm not so sure that was such a good thing.
In the early stages of the "Never Ending Tour" it wasn't all that
distracting, but these days...when his singing is more of a rushed
croak....it's not
all that pleasing to the ear.
I can't help with the Dylan stuff; I'm just not familiar enough with the
material.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
"i knew YOKOS wouldnt go for the G droppin. BIG BIG PASS on em.
the BOB show has been unlistenable for many years now, he seems to
have no interest in even followin the flow of the song. its LIKE HES
readin a huge LONG SENTENCE without pause. but FOLK go wild at the
shows so more power to em."
-------------------------------------------------------
I got lucky and saw a really good show from him in 2001.
The ones I saw after that, one just after MODERN TIMES, left me saying
that I'd pretty much had my fill of his live shows.
I'm flabbergasted when I read the reviews of his shows from this some,
where folks write how he's back in fine voice. I've heard bits from those
shows and its a talking growl, nothing more. It sure isn't singing.
Even during the final shows where he did sing, he did an annoying form
of upsinging, where the end of every line sounded as though a question
mark
belonged on the end of it.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
|
"when he took up the KEYBOARD the singing went down hill, not only he
dont even seem to attemt to follow the song, it seems hes readin the
newspapter onstage, not that the singing throughout the NEVER ENDING
TOUR hasnt been iffy at best."
==========================================
I had to drive a ways to and fro today, so I must have listened to "Red
River Shore" about ten times in a row.
Heartbreaking song......don't know if he's talking about lost love, lost
faith, lost dreams (or a bit of all that and more).
I'm guessing that it must have come to a toss-up as to what song would close
out TIME OUT OF MIND
("Highlands" or "Red River Shore").... And even though both songs are
different in approach ("Highlands" has some lighter
and more comical moments), but seem to offer a bleak outlook on what waits
us when we reach the end of the road.
So, since there were already songs such as "Not Dark Yet" and "Trying to Get
to Heaven" (along with another half dozen
bleak songs), I don't think there's anyway that album could have sustained
two epics that pretty much had such a dour outlook.
He probably made the wiser choice ending the album with "Highlands"....if
he'd ended it with "Red River Shore," that might have
just been too much sorrow to heap onto one album. "Highlands" already feels
enough like a punch in the gut with talk of
"I got new eyes...Everything looks far away." But ending that album with
"Red River Shore"...man, that would have been
an even more poignant closer than "Sugar Baby."
Don't mean to ramble on about this song....but I like writing about Dylan a
lot more here than I do over on the Dylan ng.
I do love that song, though. That last verse about Jesus always manages to
send a chill down the spine (now that I think of it,
just about every verse of that song has that effect). I remember when I
was a young man wishing that I could write songs
as powerful as Bob's. After hearing a song such as "Red River Shore," I
pray that I'm never able to write a song such as that.
Despite all the praying, though, I find that it's those world-weary songs
from the last three albums (along with songs such as "Tell Ol' Bill" and
"Cross the
Green Mountains" and such) that seem to resonate more in my as I hit middle
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There's a part in that chapter that I've read a few dozen
times...and
still
can't make heads or tails of it.
Dylan writes about how he used to play/sing using even
numbers...but
then
when he switched to odd numbers, it
all fell into place. I've looked at it from every possible angle
and
can't
make a bit of sense out of what he's talking about.
" the guitar thing he must have meant that guitar style he adopted
sometime in the NEVER ENDING TOUR where he would play those
triplets
over and over again., and he sorta adopted an anti backbeat type of
vibe around that time, thats what he means i suppose."
Yeah, I haven't read the book, but it sounds like maybe he is
talking
about odd time signatures. And maybe he picked that up from playing
with the Dead --- I doubt if they played "The Eleven" when they
toured
with Bob, but they sure as heck played "The Other One" plenty, and
that's filled with triplets.
Okay, all of you all will probably think I'm a knuckehead for asking
this, since I've
been playing guitar for over 30 years...but what exactly are
triplets??
The only time I heard the term used was once...a long time ago...to
describe the
rhythm guitar playing on "All My Loving"...but that seems to be
coming
at a staccato-type
pace. With Dylan, how would triplets work on a much slower song??
And how is it different from the way most folks play guitar?
And will I be unable to play them since my right-hand isn't all that
coordinated?
Triplets are basically having 3 notes occupying the space normally
occupied by 2. I think.
As I understand it, for example, where there would normally be 2
quarter
notes played in the same duration as a half note, if you played
triplets
there would be 3 quarter notes played in the same length of time as a
half note, instead. In other words, it's increasing the note value by
50%, while using the same time duration.
Quadruplets, quintuplets, on and on, same concept.
Thanks...that makes sense. I'm still trying to piece together how this
affected Dylan's
performing style besides his guitar playing. If it influenced the way
he
atacked songs vocally, then the only thing I can think of is that he
might
have begun to rush some his phrasing when singing by doing this. If
that
is the way it worked, then I'm not so sure that was such a good thing.
In the early stages of the "Never Ending Tour" it wasn't all that
distracting, but these days...when his singing is more of a rushed
croak....it's not
all that pleasing to the ear.
I can't help with the Dylan stuff; I'm just not familiar enough with the
material.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
"i knew YOKOS wouldnt go for the G droppin. BIG BIG PASS on em.
the BOB show has been unlistenable for many years now, he seems to
have no interest in even followin the flow of the song. its LIKE HES
readin a huge LONG SENTENCE without pause. but FOLK go wild at the
shows so more power to em."
-------------------------------------------------------
I got lucky and saw a really good show from him in 2001.
The ones I saw after that, one just after MODERN TIMES, left me saying
that I'd pretty much had my fill of his live shows.
I'm flabbergasted when I read the reviews of his shows from this some,
where folks write how he's back in fine voice. I've heard bits from those
shows and its a talking growl, nothing more. It sure isn't singing.
Even during the final shows where he did sing, he did an annoying form
of upsinging, where the end of every line sounded as though a question
mark
belonged on the end of it.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
"when he took up the KEYBOARD the singing went down hill, not only he
dont even seem to attemt to follow the song, it seems hes readin the
newspapter onstage, not that the singing throughout the NEVER ENDING
TOUR hasnt been iffy at best."
=========================================
I had to drive a ways to and fro today, so I must have listened to "Red
River Shore" about ten times in a row.
Heartbreaking song......don't know if he's talking about lost love, lost
faith, lost dreams (or a bit of all that and more).
I'm guessing that it must have come to a toss-up as to what song would close
out TIME OUT OF MIND
("Highlands" or "Red River Shore").... And even though both songs are
different in approach ("Highlands" has some lighter
and more comical moments), but seem to offer a bleak outlook on what waits
us when we reach the end of the road.
So, since there were already songs such as "Not Dark Yet" and "Trying to Get
to Heaven" (along with another half dozen
bleak songs), I don't think there's anyway that album could have sustained
two epics that pretty much had such a dour outlook.
He probably made the wiser choice ending the album with "Highlands"....if
he'd ended it with "Red River Shore," that might have
just been too much sorrow to heap onto one album. "Highlands" already feels
enough like a punch in the gut with talk of
"I got new eyes...Everything looks far away." But ending that album with
"Red River Shore"...man, that would have been
an even more poignant closer than "Sugar Baby."
Don't mean to ramble on about this song....but I like writing about Dylan a
lot more here than I do over on the Dylan ng.
I do love that song, though. That last verse about Jesus always manages to
send a chill down the spine (now that I think of it,
just about every verse of that song has that effect). I remember when I
was a young man wishing that I could write songs
as powerful as Bob's. After hearing a song such as "Red River Shore," I
pray that I'm never able to write a song such as that.
Despite all the praying, though, I find that it's those world-weary songs
from the last three albums (along with songs such as "Tell Ol' Bill" and
"Cross the
Green Mountains" and such) that seem to resonate more in my as I hit middle
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i think the best thing about RED RIVER SHORE is the phrasin while
singin. its very odd and DIFFICULT to do, its a great song but i dont
see why it would be left offa TOOM , the only thin i cain think of is
that maybe the lyrics werent finished, that last verse is one part
that dont seem finished. the upbeat MARCHIN to the CITY should also
been on there. what is interestin is how many of the outtakes have a
more LANOIS type of sound, while the finished thing didnt. that seemed
to be an anti LANOIS album. |
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There's a part in that chapter that I've read a few dozen
times...and
still
can't make heads or tails of it.
Dylan writes about how he used to play/sing using even
numbers...but
then
when he switched to odd numbers, it
all fell into place. I've looked at it from every possible angle
and
can't
make a bit of sense out of what he's talking about.
" the guitar thing he must have meant that guitar style he
adopted
sometime in the NEVER ENDING TOUR where he would play those
triplets
over and over again., and he sorta adopted an anti backbeat type
of
vibe around that time, thats what he means i suppose."
Yeah, I haven't read the book, but it sounds like maybe he is
talking
about odd time signatures. And maybe he picked that up from
playing
with the Dead --- I doubt if they played "The Eleven" when they
toured
with Bob, but they sure as heck played "The Other One" plenty,
and
that's filled with triplets.
Okay, all of you all will probably think I'm a knuckehead for
asking
this, since I've
been playing guitar for over 30 years...but what exactly are
triplets??
The only time I heard the term used was once...a long time
ago...to
describe the
rhythm guitar playing on "All My Loving"...but that seems to be
coming
at a staccato-type
pace. With Dylan, how would triplets work on a much slower song??
And how is it different from the way most folks play guitar?
And will I be unable to play them since my right-hand isn't all
that
coordinated?
Triplets are basically having 3 notes occupying the space normally
occupied by 2. I think.
As I understand it, for example, where there would normally be 2
quarter
notes played in the same duration as a half note, if you played
triplets
there would be 3 quarter notes played in the same length of time as
a
half note, instead. In other words, it's increasing the note value
by
50%, while using the same time duration.
Quadruplets, quintuplets, on and on, same concept.
Thanks...that makes sense. I'm still trying to piece together how
this
affected Dylan's
performing style besides his guitar playing. If it influenced the
way
he
atacked songs vocally, then the only thing I can think of is that he
might
have begun to rush some his phrasing when singing by doing this. If
that
is the way it worked, then I'm not so sure that was such a good
thing.
In the early stages of the "Never Ending Tour" it wasn't all that
distracting, but these days...when his singing is more of a rushed
croak....it's not
all that pleasing to the ear.
I can't help with the Dylan stuff; I'm just not familiar enough with
the
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"i knew YOKOS wouldnt go for the G droppin. BIG BIG PASS on em.
the BOB show has been unlistenable for many years now, he seems to
have no interest in even followin the flow of the song. its LIKE HES
readin a huge LONG SENTENCE without pause. but FOLK go wild at the
shows so more power to em."
-------------------------------------------------------
I got lucky and saw a really good show from him in 2001.
The ones I saw after that, one just after MODERN TIMES, left me saying
that I'd pretty much had my fill of his live shows.
I'm flabbergasted when I read the reviews of his shows from this some,
where folks write how he's back in fine voice. I've heard bits from
those
shows and its a talking growl, nothing more. It sure isn't singing.
Even during the final shows where he did sing, he did an annoying form
of upsinging, where the end of every line sounded as though a question
mark
belonged on the end of it.- Hide quoted text -
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"when he took up the KEYBOARD the singing went down hill, not only he
dont even seem to attemt to follow the song, it seems hes readin the
newspapter onstage, not that the singing throughout the NEVER ENDING
TOUR hasnt been iffy at best."
=========================================
I had to drive a ways to and fro today, so I must have listened to "Red
River Shore" about ten times in a row.
Heartbreaking song......don't know if he's talking about lost love, lost
faith, lost dreams (or a bit of all that and more).
I'm guessing that it must have come to a toss-up as to what song would
close
out TIME OUT OF MIND
("Highlands" or "Red River Shore").... And even though both songs are
different in approach ("Highlands" has some lighter
and more comical moments), but seem to offer a bleak outlook on what waits
us when we reach the end of the road.
So, since there were already songs such as "Not Dark Yet" and "Trying to
Get
to Heaven" (along with another half dozen
bleak songs), I don't think there's anyway that album could have sustained
two epics that pretty much had such a dour outlook.
He probably made the wiser choice ending the album with "Highlands"....if
he'd ended it with "Red River Shore," that might have
just been too much sorrow to heap onto one album. "Highlands" already
feels
enough like a punch in the gut with talk of
"I got new eyes...Everything looks far away." But ending that album with
"Red River Shore"...man, that would have been
an even more poignant closer than "Sugar Baby."
Don't mean to ramble on about this song....but I like writing about Dylan
a
lot more here than I do over on the Dylan ng.
I do love that song, though. That last verse about Jesus always manages to
send a chill down the spine (now that I think of it,
just about every verse of that song has that effect). I remember when I
was a young man wishing that I could write songs
as powerful as Bob's. After hearing a song such as "Red River Shore," I
pray that I'm never able to write a song such as that.
Despite all the praying, though, I find that it's those world-weary songs
from the last three albums (along with songs such as "Tell Ol' Bill" and
"Cross the
Green Mountains" and such) that seem to resonate more in my as I hit
middle
age.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
"i think the best thing about RED RIVER SHORE is the phrasin while
singin. its very odd and DIFFICULT to do, its a great song but i dont
see why it would be left offa TOOM , the only thin i cain think of is
that maybe the lyrics werent finished, that last verse is one part
that dont seem finished. the upbeat MARCHIN to the CITY should also
been on there. what is interestin is how many of the outtakes have a
more LANOIS type of sound, while the finished thing didnt. that seemed
to be an anti LANOIS album."
==========================================
I've noticed that also on the TELL TALE SIGN tracks...Lanois's sound doesn't
dominate those tracks that he's said to have produced. I've heard more than
a few speculate
what you mention, that this was almost Dylan's way of letting Lanois know
just how much
(or how little) he was actually needed. If memory serves, back when news
first came out
about TIME OUT OF MIND, I remember hearing that "Red River Shore" was called
"Girl from the Red River Shore" and it was supposed to be something like a
20 minute opus.
I'm guessing, though, that folks were probably confusing it with "Highands"
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nobody knew the title to the songs back in the day, they knew there
was ONE LONG SONG , but i dont think they got titles unitl later on.
as far as the LANOIS thing the first thing BOB did was get rid of his
drum sound. i dont know which one of the LANOIS assistants was the one
with the ENGLISH ACCENT but they are all aggravatin, with theories and
the such. BOB on of the greats dont need THEORIES from some
whipernsapper. it came a point early on where BOB said no go and
called in his people, he didnt want OH MERCY pt 2.
it wasnt a very happy go lucky session. |
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There's a part in that chapter that I've read a few dozen
times...and
still
can't make heads or tails of it.
Dylan writes about how he used to play/sing using even
numbers...but
then
when he switched to odd numbers, it
all fell into place. I've looked at it from every possible angle
and
can't
make a bit of sense out of what he's talking about.
" the guitar thing he must have meant that guitar style he
adopted
sometime in the NEVER ENDING TOUR where he would play those
triplets
over and over again., and he sorta adopted an anti backbeat type
of
vibe around that time, thats what he means i suppose."
Yeah, I haven't read the book, but it sounds like maybe he is
talking
about odd time signatures. And maybe he picked that up from
playing
with the Dead --- I doubt if they played "The Eleven" when they
toured
with Bob, but they sure as heck played "The Other One" plenty,
and
that's filled with triplets.
Okay, all of you all will probably think I'm a knuckehead for
asking
this, since I've
been playing guitar for over 30 years...but what exactly are
triplets??
The only time I heard the term used was once...a long time
ago...to
describe the
rhythm guitar playing on "All My Loving"...but that seems to be
coming
at a staccato-type
pace. With Dylan, how would triplets work on a much slower song??
And how is it different from the way most folks play guitar?
And will I be unable to play them since my right-hand isn't all
that
coordinated?
Triplets are basically having 3 notes occupying the space normally
occupied by 2. I think.
As I understand it, for example, where there would normally be 2
quarter
notes played in the same duration as a half note, if you played
triplets
there would be 3 quarter notes played in the same length of time as
a
half note, instead. In other words, it's increasing the note value
by
50%, while using the same time duration.
Quadruplets, quintuplets, on and on, same concept.
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