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 Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 2:10 am Post subject: Re: Crystal River |
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<musicaner@gmail.com> wrote in message
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"i like CALEXICO but pass on the LONELY BOYS, they are like a blues
band."
They are, they got a fine guitarist, but I know not the type of music you
like. It's funny, my blues friend says they're too much a pop band.
"aslo been listenin to BAND ON THE RUN, probably the best album made by
an BEATLE on his own, and better that most BEATLE records."
It's close to a masterpiece. He never even approached that level after that.
"i was tryin to listen to REVOLVER cd and had to stop, that stuff was
meant to be heard in mono, the stero is unlistenable. frankly ive yet
to understand the big ado about the EMI studio, the stuff recorded
there sounds terrible today. old bob dylan records sound more together
and thats sayin somethin!"
Funny, just yesterday I was listening to a disc I'd made years ago in the
Napster days, a compilation of Top Ten songs from July thru November 1964
that I put together. The Beatles had 3 songs on there: "Hard Day's Night";
"I Should Have Known Better"; and "I Feel Fine". I don't know if they were
recorded at EMI or what, but it was so easy to notice that the Beatles'
songs on there were far superior, as far as production values and clearness
of sound, to any of the 28 or so other songs by other artists from the same
5 month period in 1964. I was amazed, it really stood out!
Now, it could be that possibly the Beatles' songs I glommed for the
compilation had been remastered, while the others possibly hadn't. And I
didn't put any Dylan on there, so I couldn't compare him. But to my ears,
the Fab Four had production that was at least among the best for the time,
head and shoulders above most; I think that must have had something to do
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Mystic
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| Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 8:27 am Post subject: Re: Crystal River |
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| Quote: | Nah...the only song he produced on HWY 61 was "Like a Rolling Stone"
(although "only" might be selling him a bit short).
The rest of HIGHWAY 61, as well as BLONDE ON BLONDE was produced by Bob
Johnston.
But Bob Johnston is probably better credited for that Wild Mercury Sound.
That said, I do like the albums that Tom Wilson produced for Dylan....he
managed to create a unique vibe/persona for each of those
early albums. Also, have to give Wilson his due for what he did to Simon &
Garfunkel's acoustic track of "Sound of Silence."
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I'm surprised that there has never been an autobiography of Wilson and
his contribution to music and the direction he provided for artist and
their visions. |
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Willy Eye
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| Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 8:27 am Post subject: Re: Crystal River |
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"Mystic" <mystic@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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. old bob dylan records sound more together
and thats sayin somethin!
Ya think Tom Wilson had anything to do with that Wild Mercury Sound?
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Nah...the only song he produced on HWY 61 was "Like a Rolling Stone"
(although "only" might be selling him a bit short).
The rest of HIGHWAY 61, as well as BLONDE ON BLONDE was produced by Bob
Johnston.
But Bob Johnston is probably better credited for that Wild Mercury Sound.
That said, I do like the albums that Tom Wilson produced for Dylan....he
managed to create a unique vibe/persona for each of those
early albums. Also, have to give Wilson his due for what he did to Simon &
Garfunkel's acoustic track of "Sound of Silence." |
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Mystic
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| Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 8:27 am Post subject: Re: Crystal River |
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| Quote: | . old bob dylan records sound more together
and thats sayin somethin!
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Ya think Tom Wilson had anything to do with that Wild Mercury Sound?
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| Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 1:14 pm Post subject: Re: Crystal River |
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On Nov 3, 10:07 pm, Mystic <mys...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
| Quote: | . old bob dylan records sound more together
and thats sayin somethin!
Ya think Tom Wilson had anything to do with that Wild Mercury Sound?
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never been clear why TOM WILSON left(wanted a piece of the action
which made ALBERT show him the door), but anyone who worked with
SUN RA is preferrable to BOB JOHNSTON who al he did was open the
studio door. |
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| Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 1:17 pm Post subject: Re: Crystal River |
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On Nov 4, 12:43 am, Mystic <mys...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
| Quote: | Nah...the only song he produced on HWY 61 was "Like a Rolling Stone"
(although "only" might be selling him a bit short).
The rest of HIGHWAY 61, as well as BLONDE ON BLONDE was produced by Bob
Johnston.
But Bob Johnston is probably better credited for that Wild Mercury Sound..
That said, I do like the albums that Tom Wilson produced for Dylan....he
managed to create a unique vibe/persona for each of those
early albums. Also, have to give Wilson his due for what he did to Simon &
Garfunkel's acoustic track of "Sound of Silence."
I'm surprised that there has never been an autobiography of Wilson and
his contribution to music and the direction he provided for artist and
their visions.
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he did the first VU record(on verve i think) wich is RESUME enough,
but he went to VERVE if my memory serves,that was a great label, if
you liked records that didnt sell. also if i recall he was black and a
republican if my memory serves. not a good combo in the music biz. |
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| Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 3:42 pm Post subject: Re: Crystal River |
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On Nov 4, 10:01 am, "Willy Eye" <billye...@comcast.net> wrote:
| Quote: | musica...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Nov 4, 12:43 am, Mystic <mys...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Nah...the only song he produced on HWY 61 was "Like a Rolling Stone"
(although "only" might be selling him a bit short).
The rest of HIGHWAY 61, as well as BLONDE ON BLONDE was produced by Bob
Johnston.
But Bob Johnston is probably better credited for that Wild Mercury Sound.
That said, I do like the albums that Tom Wilson produced for Dylan....he
managed to create a unique vibe/persona for each of those
early albums. Also, have to give Wilson his due for what he did to Simon
&
Garfunkel's acoustic track of "Sound of Silence."
I'm surprised that there has never been an autobiography of Wilson and
his contribution to music and the direction he provided for artist and
their visions.
"he did the first VU record(on verve i think) wich is RESUME enough,
but he went to VERVE if my memory serves,that was a great label, if
you liked records that didnt sell. also if i recall he was black and a
republican if my memory serves. not a good combo in the music biz."
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He only did the first track on that first album, "Sunday Morning," which
is probably the most accessible, pop-like sounding song on that album
(all things being relative).
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if my memory is not shot, he MAY HAVE RECORDED more tracks bet were
SHELVED in favor of some other tracks. i think because he may have
wanted a PIECE of the group. i have a faint memory that he was
involved in that one hit wonder group the FRATERNITY OF MAN!(sp) but i
may be wrong. |
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Willy Eye
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| Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 9:01 pm Post subject: Re: Crystal River |
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<musicaner@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Nov 4, 12:43 am, Mystic <mys...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
| Quote: | Nah...the only song he produced on HWY 61 was "Like a Rolling Stone"
(although "only" might be selling him a bit short).
The rest of HIGHWAY 61, as well as BLONDE ON BLONDE was produced by Bob
Johnston.
But Bob Johnston is probably better credited for that Wild Mercury Sound.
That said, I do like the albums that Tom Wilson produced for Dylan....he
managed to create a unique vibe/persona for each of those
early albums. Also, have to give Wilson his due for what he did to Simon
&
Garfunkel's acoustic track of "Sound of Silence."
I'm surprised that there has never been an autobiography of Wilson and
his contribution to music and the direction he provided for artist and
their visions.
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"he did the first VU record(on verve i think) wich is RESUME enough,
but he went to VERVE if my memory serves,that was a great label, if
you liked records that didnt sell. also if i recall he was black and a
republican if my memory serves. not a good combo in the music biz."
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He only did the first track on that first album, "Sunday Morning," which
is probably the most accessible, pop-like sounding song on that album
(all things being relative). |
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musicaner
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| Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 5:21 am Post subject: Re: Crystal River |
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On Nov 4, 7:56 pm, Mystic <mys...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
| Quote: | I did not know that Wilson had recorded extra tracks with VU.
You're right about him producing the first couple of albums from Fraternity
of Man,
including the song used in EASY RIDER.
Wilson's Producer Discography:
* Sun Ra: Sun Song
* Cecil Taylor: Jazz Advance
* 1961 Sun Ra: The Futuristic Sounds of Sun Ra
* 1963 Bob Dylan: The Freewheelin' Bob Dylan (4 tracks,
uncredited)
* 1964 Bob Dylan: The Times They Are A-Changin'
* 1964 Bob Dylan: Another Side of Bob Dylan
* 1965 Simon and Garfunkel: Wednesday Morning, 3 A.M.
* 1965 Simon and Garfunkel: "The Sound of Silence" single
* 1965 Bob Dylan: Bringing It All Back Home
* 1965 Bob Dylan: "Like a Rolling Stone" single (also on the 1965
album Highway 61 Revisited, otherwise produced by Bob Johnston)
* 1966 Mothers of Invention: Freak Out!
* 1966 Eric Burdon & The Animals Eric Is Here
* 1967 Mothers of Invention: Absolutely Free
* 1967 The Blues Project: Projections
* 1967 The Velvet Underground: The Velvet Underground and Nico (as
post-production editor, remixer, and producer of the track "Sunday
Morning")
* 1967 Nico: Chelsea Girl
* 1968 The Velvet Underground: White Light/White Heat
As well as a pretty decent overview of Tom Wilson history:
http://blogcritics.org/archives/2003/10/23/154347.php
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BRINGING it ALL BACK HOME is probably the only legitimate BEATNIK
ROCK record ever, if he or BOB actually produced i dont knowl |
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Willy Eye
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| Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 5:55 am Post subject: Re: Crystal River |
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<musicaner@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Nov 4, 10:01 am, "Willy Eye" <billye...@comcast.net> wrote:
| Quote: | musica...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Nov 4, 12:43 am, Mystic <mys...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Nah...the only song he produced on HWY 61 was "Like a Rolling Stone"
(although "only" might be selling him a bit short).
The rest of HIGHWAY 61, as well as BLONDE ON BLONDE was produced by Bob
Johnston.
But Bob Johnston is probably better credited for that Wild Mercury
Sound.
That said, I do like the albums that Tom Wilson produced for
Dylan....he
managed to create a unique vibe/persona for each of those
early albums. Also, have to give Wilson his due for what he did to
Simon
&
Garfunkel's acoustic track of "Sound of Silence."
I'm surprised that there has never been an autobiography of Wilson and
his contribution to music and the direction he provided for artist and
their visions.
"he did the first VU record(on verve i think) wich is RESUME enough,
but he went to VERVE if my memory serves,that was a great label, if
you liked records that didnt sell. also if i recall he was black and a
republican if my memory serves. not a good combo in the music biz."
=======================================
He only did the first track on that first album, "Sunday Morning," which
is probably the most accessible, pop-like sounding song on that album
(all things being relative).
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"if my memory is not shot, he MAY HAVE RECORDED more tracks bet were
SHELVED in favor of some other tracks. i think because he may have
wanted a PIECE of the group. i have a faint memory that he was
involved in that one hit wonder group the FRATERNITY OF MAN!(sp) but i
may be wrong."
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I did not know that Wilson had recorded extra tracks with VU.
You're right about him producing the first couple of albums from Fraternity
of Man,
including the song used in EASY RIDER. |
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Mystic
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| Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 6:56 am Post subject: Re: Crystal River |
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I did not know that Wilson had recorded extra tracks with VU.
You're right about him producing the first couple of albums from Fraternity
of Man,
including the song used in EASY RIDER.
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Wilson's Producer Discography:
* Sun Ra: Sun Song
* Cecil Taylor: Jazz Advance
* 1961 Sun Ra: The Futuristic Sounds of Sun Ra
* 1963 Bob Dylan: The Freewheelin' Bob Dylan (4 tracks,
uncredited)
* 1964 Bob Dylan: The Times They Are A-Changin'
* 1964 Bob Dylan: Another Side of Bob Dylan
* 1965 Simon and Garfunkel: Wednesday Morning, 3 A.M.
* 1965 Simon and Garfunkel: "The Sound of Silence" single
* 1965 Bob Dylan: Bringing It All Back Home
* 1965 Bob Dylan: "Like a Rolling Stone" single (also on the 1965
album Highway 61 Revisited, otherwise produced by Bob Johnston)
* 1966 Mothers of Invention: Freak Out!
* 1966 Eric Burdon & The Animals Eric Is Here
* 1967 Mothers of Invention: Absolutely Free
* 1967 The Blues Project: Projections
* 1967 The Velvet Underground: The Velvet Underground and Nico (as
post-production editor, remixer, and producer of the track "Sunday
Morning")
* 1967 Nico: Chelsea Girl
* 1968 The Velvet Underground: White Light/White Heat
As well as a pretty decent overview of Tom Wilson history:
http://blogcritics.org/archives/2003/10/23/154347.php |
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